Money for nothing: Interview with Reiner Fuellmich

An interview by Rüdiger Lenz with Reiner Fuellmich .

The Corona Committee did outstanding educational work, especially during the pandemic period from 2020-2022. He was particularly fond of Viviane Fischer and Dr. Reiner Fuellmich. The face of Dr. Reiner Fuellm joined the committee because, on the one hand, he maintains worldwide contacts as a lawyer and, on the other hand, he has experience in multidimensional processes.

The Corona Committee still meets today, but has been without Dr. for a long time. Pure Fuellmich. He has been accused of infidelity since the end of 2023. Dr. is based in Göttingen. Reiner Fuellmich has been in custody since the end of last year. Apolut editor Rüdiger Lenz introduced Dr. Reiner Fuellmich questions about the process and his spectacular odyssey from Mexico to Germany.

Inconsistencies arise. And this particularly applies to the plaintiff himself, Dr. Justus Hoffmann, who even verbally attacked Viviane Fischer on the witness stand in court. The public prosecutor's office and the court seem somewhat annoyed by this, but the trial is far from over. Apolut is staying on the ball here.

After the third day of the trial, Dr. Reiner Fuellmich answered questions from our editor Rüdiger Lenz in the Göttingen prison. In the following exclusive interview part 1, his answers are faithfully reproduced from an audio recording.

Rüdiger Lenz: Dr. Fuellmich, you were detained by the authorities in Mexico last year and extradited to Germany. Can you tell us why you were transferred to Germany and arrested there? Why are you in custody?

Reiner Fuellmich : Yes, the simple answer is that the three Berlin lawyers, Justus Hoffmann, who wrote the criminal complaint, as he testified in court, Antonia Fischer and Marcel Templin, wrote a criminal complaint on September 2nd, 2022. And this criminal complaint is the reason and the only basis for investigations by the Göttingen public prosecutor's office, who have taken this criminal complaint seriously, even though at first glance it seems querulous, as if written by a small child. This has been confirmed by a number of people who help us in the background. It is now clear that around 90 percent of what is there is a blatant lie.

The entire... the entire threat scenario, which was the background to an arrest warrant against me and the kidnapping from Mexico, is a lie and a lie. Justus Hoffmann had to admit this when questioned. There is not a single point: threat from a Winchester, threat from the party's base that Viviane Fischer and I supposedly radicalized, threat to his person because, as I have only just found out, he is Ashkenazi. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, that would substantiate this threat scenario. I think the public prosecutor's office and especially the court have now noticed that.

That's the reason for the kidnapping from Mexico. I say kidnapping because they actually needed an international arrest warrant. But they didn't have that. The file shows that they didn't have it. And, the file further shows that, it says literally, I was lured to Tijuana under the pretext, literally, it says in there, that we had passport problems. That's not true. Luckily, my wife and I were there together, so although it's a bit of a shame of course because we had to spend a night in jail, my wife's release is confirmation that these passport problems were indeed faked. This all goes back to Justus Hoffmann, Antonia Fischer and Marcel Templin. They knew about it all along, as we can see from the files.

They had already tried to inform me or the public prosecutor that I had been invited to give a lecture in England and actually wanted to have me arrested there. And the next attempt was in Tijuana, where Antonia Fischer wrote: uijuijui, hopefully he doesn't fly to another consulate. So in close coordination with these three, well, how should I put it, criminals?

According to everything we know, blackmail, fraud and forgery of documents, indirect forgery of documents is on their account. The Göttingen public prosecutor's office investigated in close coordination with these three criminals for over a year without granting me the right to be heard. This was not an oversight, but based on, no, there is no other explanation, on the fictitious threat scenario.

Until my lawyers finally noticed that something was wrong and wanted to know whether there was any arrest warrant against me or any allegations against me, they were denied access to the files and also denied me a legal hearing.

So, the background to this kidnapping from Mexico, so that I could then be arrested at Frankfurt airport, was solely the criminal complaint filed by these three lawyers. It was written by Justus Hoffmann, as he stated.

Rüdiger Lenz: Do you agree with the charges in the complaint? What do you say against the reasons you are accused of?

Reiner Fuellmich : The formal reason, or the formal charge, that was brought against me is infidelity. The question being negotiated is whether we, I, that was Viviane Fischer and I, who not only prepared practically the entire committee, but also carried out the entire operational work, you can argue about who and what percentage was there, but in any case there is no need to argue about the fact that it was the two of us and that the other two, the third just tried to force his way in, Marcel Templin, that the other three had nothing to do with all the operational work but were and are only after the committee's money, are now abusing these criminal proceedings for the purpose, which is also seen by legal scholars as a danger of getting money that they would never get under normal circumstances.

So, the accusation is that giving a loan was a breach of trust. This accusation has already vanished into thin air.

Let's see what happens next, because we had, and this was discussed in detail in court, we had a threat scenario for the funds, for the Corona Committee's donations, because we got the news, I think that was an e-mail or telephone call from Professor Sucharid Bhakdi to Viviane Fischer, which we then discussed, who had received information that the donation account there, at MWGFD, had been seized. And if our donation account had been seized, we wouldn't have been able to continue from one second to the next.

What the public doesn't know yet is that I took this extremely seriously because, we already communicated that at the end of 2020 in the emails that were also available to the court, because we were also in the sights of the judiciary. And not just like that, but me, Viviane Fischer, Antonia Fischer, our accounting department, Justus Hoffmann, were investigated for suspected money laundering. That was the trigger. As a result, we came into the sights of the main customs office, the Lower Saxony State Criminal Police Office and ultimately also the Göttingen public prosecutor's office. I was aware of this money laundering suspicion.

I also expressed this in emails to everyone, including Antonia Fischer and Justus Hoffmann, who, however, never took part and did not respond to any emails. I said, boys, this is also dangerous for us, because the termination of our donation accounts, the company didn't have one, so it was first held in trust by me for the committee, then by Tobias Weisenborn, my colleague, and then again by me two accounts. They have all been canceled as of July 2020. From the end of July 2020, at least those who know a little about law, Tobias Weisenborn and I, we knew, and I also said it in the emails: “Attention, we are also being targeted, the accounts are terminated. This is solely due to the banks suspecting money laundering. They reported it to the main customs office and then to the state criminal investigation office.”

As I have now seen from the files, they actually investigated us. And at that time everything was known, including the granting of the loan, including the fact that all communication, I would say 95 percent of the communication with the committee donors and Uherns, went through our office. This was all known and the public prosecutor who was then involved took note of it all, classified everything correctly and said, yes, it could be that a little money was taken, what was meant was a loan, but that is what it means It's not like it won't come back again. And that was exactly the plan.

So, Viviane and I each took money out to secure that. We had real estate as a store of value, so I definitely did. And that should never be a liquidity reserve, that's stupid stuff. Because if it had been a liquidity reserve, then we would have had to save it in other accounts and it would have been subject to seizure again. So both she and I let the money disappear, always knowing that it would be paid back anyway. In any case, I from my store of value, we both spent it, that's for sure. It was personal loan. This private loan was disclosed openly, not secretly. And so it was listed completely correctly in the books.

The accusation is one of breach of trust because of this loan. However, a loan does not mean a donation or withdrawal of money, but there is always an obligation to repay it. This repayment obligation affected both of us. As the court sees it, we were both willing and able to pay the money back. I would have known it for a long time... I knew since the end of 2020 that Germany's economy was being driven to the wall. This hasn't gone unnoticed by some people and now you can see how true that is. We were determined to sell our house. The house was sold for 1.345 million. At that time the land register was clean and only included owner land charges. These are mortgages that are empty.

And 6 weeks later, Mr. Templin had this land charge, a land charge, registered for himself by means of fraud, blackmail and indirect false certification. If he hadn't done that, and if he hadn't deceived and put pressure on the notary and the buyer, I was executing on the property that you just bought and that you want to move into if you tell me didn't transfer the money, then the 700,000 would have gone back to the committee. However, I would have liked to have known beforehand, who is the committee? It's definitely not these two or the three Berliners. If anything, there is a single committee company that has not only been founded but also registered. And that was Viviane Fischer and me. There are still a number of corporate law details to be clarified. But to round out the accusation or round out its rejection.

Infidelity is a crime that dates back to the Third Reich and is extremely controversial. The specific accusation against me is that I violated an obligation to look after assets and thereby caused damage to those whose assets I am responsible for. The judiciary says this is all unconstitutional, but, says the Constitutional Court, it is unconstitutional because no one knows what a duty of care actually is, what is the breach of duty here and what is the damage? This is so unclear that none of the addressees, that is to say, they are the addressees of the norm, i.e. those to whom the law is directed, know what is punishable and what is not. It is particularly bad for boards of directors of stock corporations, for managing directors of companies, GmbH, as ours, a small GmbH, was supposed to be, a UG, but it didn't become because Justus Hoffmann prevented the company from being registered with the help of a very dubious tax advisor, so it never became a UG. But at least it should be one.

And it is particularly difficult for managing directors of companies to do anything at all when this unclear threat of infidelity from Section 266 of the Criminal Code constantly looms over everything. That is exactly the problem here. My actions as managing director, including those of Viviane Fischer as managing director, we were the only ones who did anything in the store, must be examined here. Is there an obligation to look after assets here? If so, to whom and for what reason.

There can only have been one in relation to the donors and the spectators, because the statutes say that none of us will get the money, even if we drop out. But that is exactly what the two former substitute members of the committee Viviane, sorry, Justus Hoffmann and Antonia Fischer are now trying to do. They are trying, contrary to the statutes, to get money to which they are not entitled. They already have money in their account. This is the purchase price of my property, which should actually have gone to me or to my wife's account and includes my money, my clients' money and also the committee money. Mind you, who the committee is still needs to be clarified.

So, the obligation to look after the assets, if any, existed towards the donors. But as part of the fraud investigation that took place earlier, the public prosecutor's office in Göttingen determined that there was nothing there. We delivered exactly what we wanted, namely education. There is tons of material on this, you can still look it up today. You can also see that the other two substitutes never played a role for us. So the obligation to look after assets, if at all, then towards the donors and the viewers. The question was, that is the crucial question, was there a breach of duty? This lending was a breach of duty in a situation, in a dangerous situation, as we perceived it and as it was real, I have only now seen it from the files. So they were really after the five of us.

The Berliners probably don't know this to this day, and even if they get the file, that doesn't mean they're capable of reading it. But, the danger was real. Are you allowed to do something like that in a situation like this? And there is the famous business judgment rule . This is a rule according to which managing directors of companies and companies have a wide range of discretion in their actions because they can't always be afraid that everything I do here will blow up in my face and I'll get in the prison. And this discretion is expanded again in dangerous situations such as we have perceived. Since both of us, both me and Viviane, at least the court has clearly admitted this to me here, have always been able and willing to pay back 700,000 out of 1.345 million is not that big, not a big problem, there can be no problem here breach of duty.

Apart from that, this was covered by the presumed consent of the donors and the viewers. Because in the situation in which we found ourselves, it was certainly not in the interests of the donors and the viewers to do nothing and wait until we too were seized, so that the very people whose actions we were supposed to investigate would then turn on us self-imposed mission supported by donors and viewers, that the very people whose actions we were supposed to investigate would grab the donations money. So, the state, which has failed here in a very brutal way.

On the contrary. There is also infidelity in omission. If we hadn't done anything, we would have been on the hook for failing to do something. There is also case law on this. Well, that is the accusation that must disappear into thin air, as we have now filed a criminal complaint against the three Berliners for fraud, blackmail, breach of trust and failure to apologize, breach of trust and indirect false certification. Will the public prosecutor's office investigate as diligently as they did against me?

Rüdiger Lenz: Is it true that Dr. Justus P. Hoffmann said negative things about Viviane Fischer in court on the third day of the trial? If so, to what extent did he do this?

Reiner Fuellmich : Yes, at the end of the meeting I tried to take the first step by asking questions about why he behaves like that. Why is he trying, contrary to the statutes he knows, to grab money to which he has no conceivable claim? I wanted to clarify things. This isn't over yet, it's still to come. But it is absolutely true that this back and forth from Justus Hoffmann only makes sense with this explanation, which is still to come. Yes, actually, he said very negative things about her, back and forth. He probably made a similar statement about it being a ticking time bomb. She had no idea about law, he was the big guru (Reiner Fuellmich laughs). It's downright ridiculous, he doesn't even exist as a lawyer before 2019, at least not as a lawyer. Without Professor Dr. Martin Schwab, these three lawyers wouldn't exist as port attorneys and none of them would have ever put together a brief, at least in my opinion.

Well, that's true, he made very negative comments. I don't know what that was about, but he keeps trying to find his way to Viviane because of his disorientation and then tries to ingratiate himself with her again. “Yes, no, I asked you to pay.” Him 100,000 (Reiner Fuellmich laughs), you ask yourself, who else does he want to extort all the money from? But I think we'd better leave that alone, I've put that on hold now. Just like he can't back up almost all of the actual claims he's made with anything. It's true, he was tough on her too. Let's see what he does next.

Rüdiger Lenz: How are the port lawyers in Berlin connected to the Corona Committee? And which people are legally authorized to represent you? Can you say something about what type of company you and Viviane Fischer and possibly others have entered into in the spirit of the Corona Committee?

Reiner Fuellmich : Well, the three port lawyers, only two of them are connected to the Corona Committee. Marcel Templin never had anything to do with it. He always wanted to play a part, especially in one of the phases in which Justus Hoffmann, well, how should you say, was completely unavailable due to health reasons, he tried to force his way onto the committee instead of Justus Hoffmann, but neither Viviane nor I wanted to see him there. We believe that he had neither the professional nor the personal qualifications to do so. The other two were originally formal members of the society that stood behind the Corona Committee. But this society never came into being. It was founded, but it was never registered. This is precisely because Antonia Fischer and Justus Hoffmann prevented this entry. I am convinced that they specifically prevented this so that they could create this chaos in order to get the committee's money.

The company, that was this... Corona, input tax, Corona committee (Vorschald)... (Reiner Fuellmich speaks unclearly here) UG in formation or that's what it was called. It is still being founded today. Because contrary to the claims that Justus Hoffmann made in between, it was never founded. But these are many of his claims that cannot be reconciled with reality in any way. I, among other things, once said in a public chat that I had taken 85 percent of the committee money. This is absolutely stupid stuff coming from someone who has clearly lost control of his life.

Rüdiger Lenz: You said in a personal statement on the third day of the trial, which was published on Bittel.TV, that you were charged with an offense under Section 266 of the Criminal Code, which is a Nazi law and was introduced by the Nazis in 1933. By the way, the denazification of Germany was considered a condition for Germany after 1945 by the Allied victorious powers. In this sense, you are accused of infidelity. They reject infidelity. Why?

– On this question, Dr. pure Fuellmich already answered sufficiently above. –

Rüdiger Lenz: In the same personal statement you say that you suspect that those who filed the complaint want to get the money of the donors to the Corona Committee, your money, that of Viviane Fischer and that of your mandates. Can you elaborate on what you mean by that?

Reiner Fuellmich : Yes, they still have money from my clients from Class Action . That would have to be around half a million, 500,000. No idea what they did with it. These are my clients. They should have given the documents to me. They want Viviane's money. There is a letter dated December 4th. I mean, from Justus Hoffmann... just a second (a correctional officer warns Fuellmich to finish), there is a letter from Justus Hoffmann to Viviane Fischer, they want 700,000 from her. Yes, and announce that they want another approx., you can't estimate, 500,000 or more from her. That's already 1.2 - 1.3 million that they want from her.

In the meantime he (note from Rüdiger Lenz: this refers to Justus Hoffmann at the court hearing at the beginning of February 2024) has done a backward roll in court. They still have 1.158 million from me in the account, to which they have no claim under any conceivable point of view, zero. I think that slowly became clear in court.

And, they also want to get their hands on the gold. That's another million or more. So, depending on how you add it up and what you can imagine, whatever else Justus Hoffmann comes up with (Reiner Fuellmich laughs), how much he then uses, you get to around 5 million. Wait a minute, I think I have to...

Rüdiger Lenz: The conversation was ended here by the correctional officers.

Dr. Fuellmich, I thank you for the answers to this first part of my questions to you and wish you and your wife strength and God's blessing on the path to justice.

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